Posts by rather be in hades

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

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but the watchtower farms have all sorts of food they slaughter. i mean animals. i'm hngry.

that makes no sense. noah? brnt offerings?

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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?

by rather be in hades in

i'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.

everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.

i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .

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sugar is the devil in disguise ;)

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"Queen of Soul Food" Sylvia Woods dies.

by ohiocowboy in

the owner of sylvia's restaurant in harlem has died.

she was very famous for her restaurant.

the last time i was in new york, i had the treat of eating food from there through a recommendation of one of the locals.

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now that explains why there was all those cameras by sylvias the other day.

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Let's talk about the worst articles from the WT for young people (YPA articles and others).

by Chemical Emotions in

at the moment i don't have the wt cd program up, but when i can bring it up, i'll post some.. .

also, articles which include a paragraph here or there that are directed towards children or teens count as well.. articles that come to mind for me first are all the articles dealing with (gasp) masturbation.

and one poster here recently posted some parts from a young people ask article about dating, which was very funny.

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"The masturbation/sex ones made me feel guilty."

sounds like someone is telling on themself. hairy palms? ;)

i have to second all of those articles. how's about a funny story?

one night i had just finished ummmm handling myself and was looking for something to wipe down with. listen, don't judge me. teenage boys don't always think before they act.

anyway, i was searching for something to wipe down with, when all of a sdden my mom tried to barge in the door. i was in a panic and just so happened to be naked so i flung myself against the door and she demanded to come in. oh god. that was horrible. i refused and finally said i had a "wet dream". at least i could say it through the door but still. no son ever wants to say that to his mother. i was horrified when she said:

"you weren't masturbating right? cuz you know that's a sin!" of course i was but i wasn't gonna say that. so of course i lied (another sin) and was humiliated (penance).

fucking young people ask. it shouldn't count if we're in the new millenium and the young people were young back in 1928

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Was your fade easy or difficult? Let me know ur fade story

by dazed but not confused in

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when i started to fade it was pretty easy for me.

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lol harley bear. i showed up at my last assembly with a beard and a halfro, it was maybe 6 inches long and abot halfway to a real fro :P i got some interesting looks that time. tattoos are on the to do list

thank you onthewayout. i imagine it must have been difficult to get all the way to becoming an elder, only to find out. what was your mindset through the fade?

the apostate literature fear is what kept me in it for so long. i jst signed up to this site only a few weeks ago, if that. but i haven't been to anything since somewhere between 05 and 07. since i've joined, the amount i've learned about how false this whole thing wasblows me away. up to then, it was jst personal philosophy that led me to where i'm at today with the false prophecies, blood issues, etc. i had no idea about 607 bce until recently and it is just shocking. it's right there on the net easy as pie to see and yet we never see it because it's apostacy to look.

amazing how they get us.

i'm sorry to hear how stuck you are in that situation. that's gotta be so tough. has your wife ever asked you why you started to fade?

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

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lol i will try. it's just the idea i'm trying to get across. not to let up until there's no where else to retreat. part of this is to find the right topics to do that with and thankfully you all have helped me see i was going for way too much.

i don't mean to sond insensitive with my mother. i'm not trying to beat her over the head with reality, more like trying to find something undeniable that will give me an opening to work with for the next...however long it takes. that and something that will finally give me closure. i have to have that

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

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king solomon: if you hammered me with adam and eve back then, i think you'd crack me lol. i just think that's too easy for her to sweep under the magical mat. that just seems like a route that will put up her defenses. it's like...i don't have an on paper way to show mathematically that the garden of eden is erroneous. the philosophical questions are starting to seem too easy to refte if you're stuck way up in the jehovah's witness mindset. everything i don't understand or can't come up with something for becomes a matter to wait on jehovah. it becomes magic and then i no longer have to listen.

i think that might have been my mistake with the blood issue and the organ transplants. those both become, god understands better than me, it's his will so what the fuck ever. and then i close my ear holes and shut my brain off. and i'm saying that as someone who loves mind games and debates. yet if i had no answer back when i was in middle school or whatever, when i was in it, that was my answer.

the free will always got me too and i think that was the first thing i really grasped onto when i started gaining the strength to leave. either make me a robot, or give me free will, but the only reason why i'm a jehovah's witness is because if i'm not...i'm gonna die. that's NOT free will. do it or die is not a death sentence, but again, i think if i can't prove it on paper....she closes that avenue off. those are both things i think would be perfect for the bible study. not to start breaking her shell and i think when it comes to that, your blows have to be blunt. philosophical questions seem more like scalpels.

i don't think i'll ever explicitly say it. not ntil i feel she's ready. not ntil after she asks me. i do think i can sneak by with a:

something doesn't seem right with this organization. can you help me understand? or what do you think? or i think if we both did de diligence, i don't think we'd have become jehovah's witnesses. can you help me figure this out because it's been tearing me up inside and i want to know the truth?

i think from there i can ask her if we go bit by bit in the bible to see what's right or not. genesis gives me the opportunity to question her on free will, the account of creation, the biblical timeline, adam and eve being born in 4026 bc and evoltion. oh god and noah's ark lol. and didn't someone get his daughters pregnant? there's some nutty shit in genesis. i wouldn't mind throwing a "you know i always thought the society's stance on rape was rather unloving..." when we get to dinah.

as far as me going too fast, i really thikn i have a legitimate shot if i can appeal to my mom in the right way. it's just my circumstances, bt if other people have similar circmstances, maybe this experiment will help

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Trying to talk to my mom - really discouraged, need help.

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

so, i'm new here and i've decided to finally tell my mom the truth about jws.. and sorry for the long post.

i'm at my wits end.. here's some background:.

i grew p in a congregation in california, i'm not a born in, though i was raised in it from 5 - about 20. arond 20 i pretty mch faded out, bt the emotional ups and downs were jst all too much.

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hi gwen and thank you. that quote you have is awesome. i would love to find a ton more qotes like that and hammer her on the the logic of the governing body. not so much if there is a god's organization, jst...is this god's organization? how can we know? how can we believe it is when they've had so many false prophecies?

if i can deconstruct the legitimacy of the jehovah's witnesses governing body, then everything else would be relatively simple. it might take years, but once the infallibility of the so called spirit annointed elders falls...the coast is clear.

it's looking to me like the two easiest topics to hammer home is the legitimacy of the governing body and the 607/1914 thing. i'm not sure which to hit with first. i'm thinking 1914/607 because that's easily proven wrong. easily.

juust taking this piece by piece....and not necessarily in this order...

1. go over 1914. what t means to her.

-then talk abot how 1914 is calculated

-the explain that it's not 607 bt 587 that 1914 then becomes irrelevant, or at least the wrong date...and i say questionable because i don't want to say outright? like it's too much? i dunno.

2. based on that, considering they are essentially teaching a false prophecy, should we question the governing body?

- show citings that the governing body is not perfect and not inspired

-show spots like your quote that says they are the conduit

-question how that is possible how one can be imporefect yet dispense perfect food. clearly 1914 has no relevance.

from there i can launch into how this all felt to me when i was younger. that i started seeing the organization in a completely different light and that i couldn't handle it. that i was learning that the organization had made false prophecies in 1914, 1925, 1874 and 1875 and blah blah blah from above.

i kinda like that. thank you

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Attention ALL Abuse Victims & Their Families: Important Message!

by headisspinning in

candace conti's attorney has an important message for you:.

anyone with a case against the wbts for child abuse that (1) hasn't gone past the statute of limitations, which is 21 years, (2) that the accused is not the child's parent or (3) anyone who's child has been abused within the last two years and nothing was done, to please contact him asap.

it may take him a little time to get back to you.

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band on the run:

"

I find it very sad that people here just want to run out and hire a lawyer referred on the Internet. Such a move shows lack of sophistication. It would seem reasonable that people would want many choices. Why not hire a lawyer the way other lawyers do? Unless you are a lawyer or paralegal with much exposure to the claims being addressed, you can not tell the quality of legal services provided. Martindale-Hubble and other organizations provide ratings for lawyers supplied by other practicioners in the area. Lawyers with exposure to the lawyer's work know the quality of legal skils, knowledge of the law, trustiworthiness, and reputation for style of handling cases. Interactions with other lawyers and judges area are assessed.

Local lawers are usually a good choice. They know what a local jury and judge will likely find. Relationships with judges already exist. They have a feel for which judges will grant which motions. From observation, they know whether each judge is good at managing trials. They also know which arbitrators or mediators are fair. Figuring out the law is the easy part. After a few weeks of law school, almost everyone can find the law. A whole host of tangible and intangible factors are important.

Before the Internet, such advice seemed closely held. Legal newspapers also have their ranking systems. Learning the paper credentials a lawyer has is important, too. Some one who attended a fly by night law school is unlikely to provide the best service. Presenting yourself well is an important skill but it does not begin to address the quality of the work.

Lawyers who troll for clients are not attractive. No one is perfect for every case. Legions of lawyers are available to handle such matters.

One can make an informed decision or an impulsive one. Repeat players in the legal system and lawyers themselves don't tag the first lawyer they meet. Cocktail party chatter is also not a good indicator of quality. This is precisely the info I would want to know if I did not attend law school."

/quote

i think there's a lot of wisdom in these words from badn on the run. it's FANTASTIC this lawyer was able to beat the watchtower society and expose their evil practices. it's a major victory in a long and ugly war. that said, he might not be the best lawyer for you and at the very least, it's prudent to shop around a little bit.

maybe it would be helpful, if band on the run was to provide some basic questions to help weed out good and bad lawyers? don't mean to put ya on the spot, i'm rather curious myself as to how lawyers determine which guy to hire.

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Question? Do you know of any statutory rape, or Child Molestation cases handled as Consensual sex (fornication) by Jehovahs Witnesses Judicial Committees?

by Balaamsass in

i was talking about this with the mrs., and we can recount at least half dozen cases in the last 20 years of adult j.w.

men having sex with teenage boys or girls.

not only were the police not informed, but also the victim was treated as a guilty party in fornication.

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all i can say is: i wish i paid more attention at meetings if that's the case. forget the lesson, that's sounding like a tv novela. all i'd need is popcorn